[Gossip] Re: Is mail-archive alive and well?

less serious explanation involving a huge mail backlog ... will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about this soon. -Jeff ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip

Re: [Gossip] Re: Is mail-archive alive and well?

>Does this mean that the lists will be updated, or are the posted bits >gone for good on this site? The several hundred megabytes of mail queued up will be archived eventually. They are being put aside for the moment while I make performance enhancements to the service. I do not know when eventu

[Gossip] YahooGroups banned

Effective immediately, YahooGroups mailing lists are banned from using the mail-archive service. This action, as previous discussed, is occuring for a variety or reasons, including: 1) YahooGroups already provides an archive for their lists 2) Too much spam and other abuse originating from Yahoo

Re: [Gossip] YahooGroups banned

>I have just received a message from my majordomo telling that >[email protected] was unsubscribed from my mailing list >([EMAIL PROTECTED]). What happened? Interestingly, when I configured the mail transfer agent (Exim) to block YahooGroups with host_reject_recipients = *.groups.yahoo.com it

[Gossip] fix problems day

Ok, today will be devoted to cleaning up these problems as best I can. Cheers, Jeff ___ Gossip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip

Re: [Gossip] fix problems day

It turns out that a ton of lists are exhibiting the too-large-date index. All date indexes are now being rebuilt; the process will take a few hours. In the meantime all incoming mails are being added to the (already rather enormous) queue. The service has upgraded to mhonarc 2.5.0 again. Let's s

search engine + new domain name

A search engine has been added to the system; each mailing list is now indivually searchable. In addition, http://www.mail-archive.com is now the canonical location for The Mail Archive. Jeff

downtime

site was also off line for the weekend. Jeff Breidenbach

Time for more anti-spam

I am modifying the list archives to be more spam resistant, again. I wish this stuff wasn't necessary. Sigh...

outage

jab.org was off the net for about 12 hours, between 11pm EST and 11am EST today. I believe no mail was lost. It was a network difficulty which has since been resolved. Jeff

upgraded disk

Folks, Just a quick update on http://archive.jab.org 1) Storage for the archives has been upgraded to 12 gig, which should happily store the next million messages redundantly. When that fills up we can upgrade again. 2) An "about this service" page is up and running. Jeff

[[email protected]: Mail Archive Suggestion]

--- Start of forwarded message --- Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:11:02 +1000 From: Gossamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail Archive Suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Religion: linux slrn mutt vim I just wandered o

Re: MailArchive, will continue?

>Is MailArchive going on after september which seems to be your decision date? My decision is the service is worthwhile. The reality is I don't know if it will survive; I would like it to. Survival depends on me finding a new host site by Nov 1, and that may be tricky. I suggest checking back a

mirror site up

A mirror site has been added to the mail list archives, at http://ark.jab.org The mirror should increase capacity, and provide additional reliability. Also, there have been cosmetic changes to the web pages to improve usability. Cheers, Jeff

sponsosr found

VAReasearch will provide net connectivity for the Mail Archive. Switchover will occur mid-October. Hurray! Looks like we will survive.

test

Testing new setup in California.

how to join this list

This is a new discussion list for the archiving service at http://archive.jab.org. Anyone who wishes may join. Thanks, Jeff - To join: send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a body of "subscribe" To remove yourself: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a body of "unsubsc

fwd: great work, great service. complaints/suggestions

--- Start of forwarded message --- From: TANAKA Tomoyuki this is great work, & great service. (i'm new to the fukuzawa list. i post msgs to the list by email, and read exclusively thru your service.) the FAQ encourages complaints/suggestions so here i go. 1. i want to see th

[[email protected]: mail-archive suggestions]

Hi Nikita, I am carbon copying this response to [EMAIL PROTECTED], a discussion group for mail-archive.com. This is mainly so I can put all the good comments in on place. Thanks for the feedback! >1. (a small one, really) You mention in the FAQ that your software >sometimes gets confused and ar

htdig, general customization

Total archive size is ~110,000 messages. Growth is currently under 1000 per day. There may be room for improving search indexing efficiency (incrementallity?), which could deliver tangible benefits, as you mentioned. I chose htDig because it appeared to beat out the competition by being cleanly

potential TODO list

Here are some suggestions submitted over the past week or so. I'm consolidating them in one place, and putting a star next to the ones that I like best. No guarantees if/when any of these get done. I just didn't want to lost them. - add metadata to lists (recurring request) - NNTP backend - c

Re: archive suggestion --- Date index

[Forwarding to [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Tomoyuki, Now that there are several people actively commenting on www.mail-archive.com, please CC: future messages of this sort to the public discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otherwise I go crazy keeping track of who is saying what. Thanks!) > Date index se

growth vs. resources

This is a list of ceilings that will be bumped into assuming service continues growth. First limiting factor appears to be disk space, which needs attention at or before 4x growth. (Estimate: 1 to 1.5 years fromn now, unless things get exciting.) All resources can be expanded as necessary, and al

[Albert.Langer: RE: htdig, general customization]

--- Start of forwarded message --- [admin: sorry for the forward. I'm turning off administrivia filtering on gossip so this won't happen again. The message used the word "subscription" and got redirected. ] [JB...] rcfile generation at subscription time, what would you base the individua

[[email protected]: RE: potential TODO list]

[admin: forwarding due to administrivia filter on list. Won't happen again.] --- Start of forwarded message --- I agree with TANAKA Tomoyuki: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00058.html - - just include mailto links so people can reply easily while browsing - spam harvester

[ANNOUNCE] version 1.3.3 of software installed

I just updated the software at www.mail-archive.com The new version has the following modifications. - Sorts by "Received:" time once again - New feature: ability for list to have a custom rcfile - Very minor cleanup to ease customization - Very minor tweaks to htdig configuration - Minor b

Re: feedback on list archive service

Hi Kathy, The archive.jab.org site has only been around for a couple weeks, and I'm still trying to get a feel as to how popular it will be. Go ahead and use it; but it is still too early to provide definitive answers to your questions. Here's the situation right now: * The defacto place for t

Re: Unable to add two lists...

Ok, I'll take a look. Maybe something is gummed up. Panic if things start bouncing.

Re: Unable to add two lists...

Neal, The archiver was processing a ton of mail at the time you added your lists, and it just got queued up for a while. I didn't have to intervene; eventually the archiver burned through the queue and the lists were added. I'll amend the FAQ to mention this possibility. Jeff

Re: just a little stupid note :-)

The machine that handles searches just had a disk crash so searches will probably be off line for a day or three. No data was lost. I will fix the HTML glitch in the same timeframe. Thanks for the bug report. Jeff - Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] D

Re: search/etc.

Jed, Kagami-san, I will have a new seach engine available in about 24 hours. (I am currently changing the search software from "Excite" to "htdig") Chotto matte kurdesai... Jeff

Re: Tried to add 2 lists to your Websites

Dr. Juergen Vigna, Ah ha! There was a problem with the archives and some messages were not getting filed. Give me a few minutes and I will correct the problem... Jeff

Re: Tried to add 2 lists to your Websites

Jürgen, Hey, look at that! lyx and lyx-users are now both archived and online. I'm going to spend a few minutes and find out how that logjam started so it doesn't happen again. Thank you again for alerting me to the problem. Best of luck with lyx... Cheers, Jeff

Re: Tried to add 2 lists to your Websites

The list is brand new (to the archives) and not searchable yet. The search index is rebuilt periodicly; please wait a few days and try again. I will add a note to the FAQ, and improve the error message you encountered. What great feedback! THanks. Jeff

Re: JAB mail archive suggestion

>The thread view of mailing lists ought to show the date for each >post. Brain, Thank you for the feedback. If I can find a good looking formatting solution, I should have the change up in a few days. I do have a formatting question for you - If I put the subject, author, and date all on one

mail-archive.com

on't know. Spam is annoying to everyone, and if it grows, will be fatal to my service. Jeff Breidenbach

Re: mail-archive.com

Thanks for the feedback! I'm carbon copying this response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.mail-archive.com's discussion list, consisting mainly of me) so it gets archived, ok? I have become somthing of an archivist lately, and this discussion is relevant for others who use the service. >You mentioned

Re: How long does it take?

Hi Niclas, As soon as the first piece of mail from svrm gets processed, the archives become from the web page. Sometimes there a delay if there is a lot of mail - but usually it is only a few minutes. >Have added [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is a Scandinavian VRML User Group. I was confused for a m

Re: www.mail-archive.com

>What are the effects of having a sponsor and going non-profit? >I.e. What changes will be done inorder to make a profit? I'm not sure I understand the question. The only changes are that network connectivity will be provided by a sponsor, under their "help-the-community" program. There is an a

Re: problems searching in one mailing list

Jordi, The cafe is list is fairly new, and has not yet been indexed for searching. Please check back tomorrow afternoon and see if the problem is resolved. Jeff PS See the first question in the FAQ, and also I apologize for the confusing error message.

Re: problems searching in one mailing list

Jordi, Actually, check anytime you wish. It should be searchable now. Jeff

Re: ezmlm problem?

Hmmm... this particular list requires a confirmation. Do you send in a confirmation? Did you know to look for the confirmation? I may need to revise the FAQ, if this was the problem. Confirmations are archived at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html I am not aware of

Re: MHonArc dates

Change applied. Please test. Jeff date:received (To replace the default sequence "received:date" which causes the date the message was "received" to be used when found in the message whereas the less "accurate" but more user friendly behaviour is to use the "date" the message was s

Re: ezmlm problem?

Aris, I noticed we still hadn't had anything show up on the sport list at mail-archive.com. Are you a subscriber? Is there any traffic? If so, can you forward me a message; I'd like to look at the headers. Jeff

x-no-archive

>X-No-Archive: yes Your list inserts headers that specifically request that messages are not archived. www.mail-archive.com abides by those headers. If you want the list to be archived by us, it will have to stop using "x-no-archive: yes" Jeff PS I'll consider adding this information to the FA

Re: htdig, general customization

This is very hard when I really don't know what is most likely to be customized. I wish I was better at writing extensible programs! An rcfile.model sounds fine. (Although, if this gets out of hand a config file in /etc is probably the best solution... except maybe not if we want to sync the

Re: archive suggestion --- Date index

Tomoyuki, If sorting by the Date: field is causing big problems for fukuzawa, we will switch back to sorting by recieved time, and find another way to handle archive imports. (Let me coordinate this with the folks who are currently importing archives; this may take a day or two.) Let me ask thi

Re: potential TODO list [mailto: links]

"mailto:"; links are the cleanest, simplest, and most convenient solution. I wish I felt comfortable using them. Several months ago, spammers started harvesting email addresses from the archives and I thought they would destoy the service. I made a lot of anti-spam changes to discourage them, but

Re: archive suggestion --- Date index

Archive imports must be automatic, or not allowed. (I'm laying down the law here; a core value of the service is automation, and I am not going to do manual imports of list archives) Is archive-date: a standard field? If so, do you have the RFC number? A few other (unsavory) possiblities, off th

growth model + logging

Albert, You've outlined an excellent path for establishing a good growth model. The path requires, however, a fair amount of work, and we're not even close to a limit on the HTTP traffic side. I don't want to expend the effort until the service is bigger, i.e. a time when the effort has a more i

Re: archive suggestion -- date index

Tomoyuki, Confirmed there is a problem. It didn't take too long to stumble across fukuzawa poster Dana Buntrock, whose computer thinks it is 1999. So of course her messages are acculmulating at the head of the date index. I'm not sure what else is messed up with dates or sorting, but this alone

Re: archive suggestion --- Date index

* MHonArc should understand most non-numeric timezones. May need some education. Logs show MHonArc is ignorant of AEST, MET; no errors reported under fukuzawa. See resource. * A single clock incorrectly set far in the future can do very large damage. More than enough to offset the gains

Re: EXCITING OPPORTUNITY

Tomoyuki, some way of deleting spam ads seems to be a good idea. Yes, but... * I can't delete the spam myself. * Editing archives may cause legal problems for the service. * I'd prefer not to give out unix logins for this. * The best place for blocking spam is at the list server. * Ad

[ANNOUNCE] Service software upgraded to 1.3.4

Last night mail-archive.com upgraded its internal software, to version 1.3.4. The new software sports * Improved logging The new logs are syslogd based, split into trouble/activity, and are self trimming. Thanks to Albert Langer for the suggestion. So why do you care? Because the logs are now

Re: EXCITING OPPORTUNITY

Bleah. I'd very much prefer if the situation never came up. Anyway, gossip is a special case, as I am the list maintainer. The important point is I don't exert editorial control over (archives of) lists that I do not maintain. Jeff

deperately need secondary MX

Folks, mail-archive.com is getting bigger and more people are relying on the service. It now desperately needs an SMTP failover site. I'm looking for suggestions. Bouncing mail is deadly to this service - it unsubscribes it from lists. And there is ISP downtime scheduled for about a week from no

Re: deperately need secondary MX

Hmm, I just stumbled across ddns.org; maybe this won't be as tricky to rustle up as I thought. Sorry for the panicky message earlier. (Of course suggestions are still appreciated.) Jeff

Re: forwarding from an alias

Mate, >So can you indicate to me briefly what is the acceptance policy of the >archive for messages forwarded from an alias to the archive? Current policy: we accept and archive incoming mail that does not bear "x-no-archive: yes" or "restrict: no-external-archive" to the best of our automated

Re: forwarding from an alias

>1) What happens if two or more such aliases get set up for the >same list. Does your archive check for duplicate messages? Yes, MHonArc does check for duplicate message-ID's. No, we don't check for the case you describe. Anyway, it hasn't been an issue yet. In all cases until now, the unique a

Re: forwarding from an alias

>So if there is a mailing list anybody can subscribe to, then somebody can >subscribe an alias which would point at [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the alias also >removes all "x-no-archive: yes" headers, the mailinglist gets archived at >mail-archive.com. This could happen without the knowledge of the li

Re: using dist to send archive

A method using dist should work as well as the procmail method. In either case, because we index by "Recieved:" rather than "Date:" fields, the imported messages will be sorted against time of import. I can override the sorting, but there are drawbacks. See discussion at http://www.mail-archive.

failover report

mail-archive.com was down for a number of hours today, as our ISP was doing some scheduled maintenance. I believe all incoming email was routed to the secondary Mail Exchanger, which was recently set up by ddns.org. The secondary MX is able to store messages while the primary is down; i.e. it is

Re: failover report

> a minor point. it'd make my life a bit easier if instead of > "gossip" in the attached doc below, it said [EMAIL PROTECTED] . How/why would that make your life easier? I assume you mean it would be easier to remember the list's email address? Would a "reply to list" link do the trick? Is the

failover report - revised

Looks like yesterday wasn't just bad, but devastating. I've just watched five minutes go by without a single incoming piece of email to mail-archive.com. I'm guessing many of the high traffic lists got a bounce and unsubscribed. This is really, really, really bad and we are already too big to l

failover report - revised

We were down for 4 hours, 17 minutes Friday, Nov 27th. Nov 25 had 77 different lists add data to their archive. Nov 28 had 57 different lists add data to their archive. Notable: We haven't heard a peep from vger.rutgers.edu for the last 14 hours (vger has the high traffic linux lists). Also, maj

Re: archive date

>1) If the archiving is done by the received field, the list maintainer >can have no way of inluencing the order according to which messages >are archived. Not good, especially if one has to send in older >messages to the archive. I agree, it sucks. (I hate tradeoffs like this.) >2) Perhaps i

Re: suggestion for additional anti spam measures.

Hi Jauder, I am carbon copying this response to [EMAIL PROTECTED], a small discussion group for the mail-archive.com service. >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ to >http://www.mail-archive.com/archive%makelist.com/ That's a good idea. If I put symbolic links from archive%makel

Re: archive date

Mate, Trust me, I like pushing as much responsibility as possible onto the hands of the list manager. However, when I witnessed firsthand the archive devastation caused by three lousy messages accidentally misdated November 1999 on a major list, I became convinced to use Received: sorting as the

Re: suggestion for additional anti spam measures.

>It was called [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the spams are very clearly archived. And >it did get hit pretty hard towards the end. Holy mackeral, that's a lot of spam! I did a correlation check against my control lists (and java-linux just for good measure) and one of your last ten spams appeared on an

Re: suggestion for additional anti spam measures.

Thank you for the code snippet. >I don't program in Javascript Ditto. I also don't use a Javascript capable browser, nor do I particularly believe in the durability/portability/utility of the language. Can you tell I'm desperate for a solution? Anyway, it's getting late here, so I'll ponder the

[ANNOUNCE] Internal software up to 1.3.9

The software has the following improvements, since last announcement: - cleaner code for the "We have a new list" heuristics - a new heuristic aimed at recognizing new Majordomo lists - cosmeticly prettier makefile - MIME attachments now use an icon - 50% speedup on search indexing -

expiry improvement

I've changed the cofiguration of apache to include ExpiresByType image/gif "access plus 2 months" which may result in minor performance improvements for clients locoated farther away from the server. This is especially important as the archives appear to be getting more international.

Re: How I used dist to bounce messages

Michael, Thank you for the updated notes. >This is pretty complicated. I feel inspired to see how dist and >rcvdist manage to bounce a message without using the To: line >as a recipient. Do you have an idea how this works? For email, the actual recipient for a given message is determined by

[ANNOUNCE] news + 1.4.1 software upgrade

I'm back from long California trip. Here's the scoop: Good news: - The high amount of packet drops (I see 3 out of 10 packets drop from South Carolina) is not due to the host site, but to network problems at a high level ISP. (probably at MAE-East) Apparently a lot of people, incl

Bug reports coming this way

Greetings, I've given up waiting for our promised bug tracking system. Instead I am going to list outstanding bugs on this mailing list. I'd really like to nail these bugs, as this service is simple and small enough that it can probably run bug free. Patches or suggestions appreciated. For thos

Bug #1 : Address extraction from a header

= Bug #1 : Address extraction from a header = We have a function, written in sh, that returns the first address in a RFC822 header. I want to replace it because - It is klunky - It can screw up when there are q

Bug #2 : When one letter goes to two archived lists

= Bug #2 : When one mail goes to two archived lists = This is the problem mentioned in the FAQ. It is kind of hard and (to me) kind of interesting. We archive two mailing lists: first_nations and nati

Re: Bug #2 : When one letter goes to two archived lists

Hi Albert, Let me repeat and agree with your statement. The essential contribution of mail-archive.com "is the concept of being able to easily archive email lists by just adding the generic archives address as a subscriber" That contribution is based on a core "technology" - a system to automat

bugtracking system

Great news! LinuxCare has come through with a jitterbug instance for mail-archive.com. I am very, very happy! Let's see how that works out. The URL is:

address mangling in body

Eko, >Where the subscription address for your discussion list? To subscribe to the discussion list, send a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "subscribe" as the body. >>> You are removing email addresses from message header, but how >>> about email addresses in message body? >There's a

Re: problem adding new lists...

Jaka, Looks like there may be a glitch on our end. I've been doing work on the sorting and new list detection algorithms for the last three days and may have introduced a bug. There appear to be traces of your lists filed under http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ I will spend some tim

Re: problem adding new lists...

Jaka, OK, tracked it down. There was a bug on our end, it's fixed, and you should be fine. Detail follow. The bug was only in the system for a few days. It erroneously decided that there was a list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was bad. Since all LUGOS mail bears [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header

[ANNOUNCE] version 1.4.5

Hi all, Happy New Year! Mail-archive.com is now up to version 1.4.5. The changes went in over the last couple of days to the sorting engine; and were significant. Changes: grep -F replaces a million greps during sorting better new list detection better sanity checks on list names so

this week's tidbits

Good morning - I just returned from a trip to Bavaria, Germany where I was blissfully out of reach from computers. I'm happy to say the service survived with zero attention. Here's the scoop... * We got mentioned in the current Linux Weekly News * I made the system quietly queue mail for a fe

[ANNOUNCE] version 1.4.8

Yep, mail-archive.com's software has been upgraded again. It's a fairly significant revision to the sort engine that * adds much better abstraction in the matching code * shortens the sort code by ~100 lines (~20%) * works smarter at getting new lists right * won't bog down if there is a

Re: Ease of use: Searching the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/

Hi Sriram, Could you please give an example? The whole HTML page should be indexed (except for a short list of common English words like "the") I searched for Yount at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ and the first match was a message written by Michael Yount. Thanks, Jeff PS I car

colored dots

Hi Zack, Sounds like a great idea and straightforward to do. If I can find some time I think I'll implement it. (It could be a while; things are pretty hectic; you are welcome to send in a patch.) In the meantime I'm going to CC: this reply to the discussion list, so I don't lose it. Jeff PS V

this weeks report

Hi all, Mail-archive.com ran chiefly unattended this week. I've been totally busy getting adjusted to California (and the 12 hour/day Silicon Valley workweek) to give the system much thought. Next week I'll finally move into my apartment (hurray!) and be nearly settled. It's survived ok - altho

spam incident

Two things: 1) I received the following letter from a (well meaning?) spam terrorist. 2) I have applied Mikael Yount's patch to MHonArc, which means that email addresses will no longer appear in HTML comments. Note that feature request #3 (easy ability to reply to a message) remains on

Re: spam incident

I don't feel comfortable editing message bodies. Perhaps those requiring additional privacy should consider access controls (Such as password access or digital certificate access?) Jeff

Re: spam incident

> Fair enough Note that we aren't completely unprotected from spam harvesters (see FAQ) and measurement of actual spam incidents are low and almost zero if you subtract out legacy harvests. Jeff

Re: pb with sendmail and bounce.pl

1) It might be your local setup; that perl script is enlisting the aid of sendmail, which is sounding uncooperative. Sorry, this is just conjecture based on the error message. 2) Unfortunately there is a several hour delay before new messages reach the archive; I'm working to increase responsive

Re: Starting from scratch

Wich list is it?

Re: Starting from scratch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] has been erased, as requested.

Re: Where is our list?

Hi Markus, All of our incoming email is automatically sorted. The problem with tpsipol is due to the email headers the list. Our software looks very carefully for list names in the headers. For example, if your list had an email address of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", and it was present in the headers,

Re: Where is our list?

>I imagine that a large percentage of lists here are administered by >Majordomo. Is there some simple procedure for making sure Majordomo >sends the right information? (i.e. Can we tell it to add a special >line to the header?) I imagine so, although my brief glance at a Majordomo config file an

Re: new list hasn't been created

We have a 2.6 thousand message backlog right now, the oldest of which is 23 hours. Because of the backlog, the sorting system has automatically switched over to a batch mode, meaning that messages will not necessarily be processed first in first out. Also, the expanded hardware is up but not bei

Re: searching archives

Not sure you can do it. We use a mostly stock htdig search coniguration, which mean punctuation gets ignored for search indexing. Is this a big problem?

switchover

The next 24 hours will be a switchover period to new hardware (the time is needed to synchronize all the data). During that time, no new messages will show up on the website. They will all appear instantly, however, at the end of the switchover period. Jeff

Re: (1) fukuzawa clogged, (2) search function

Mr. Tanaka, Many lists were backlogged by a day or more. I have just performed an upgrade to new hardware. During the upgrade, no new messages appeared on the website (I was synchronizing data between machines) Incoming mail was queued during that time, which was nearly 48 hours. I apologize for

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